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    Correspondence between Michelin and the FIA[edit]

    In a letter to FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting dated June 18, Michelin representatives Pierre Dupasquier and Nick Shorrock revealed that they did not know the cause of the Toyota tyre failures, and unless the cars could be slowed down in Turn 13, they could not guarantee the tyres' safety for more than 10 laps.[22] Whiting replied on Sunday, June 19, expressing his surprise that Michelin had not brought suitable tyres, suggesting that the teams should limit their drivers to the maximum safe speed specified by Michelin in Turn 13. He also addressed several solutions which had been proposed by the teams, insisting that use of the new specification tyres flown in overnight would be "a breach of the rules to be considered by the stewards", and the placement of a chicane in the turn was "out of the question" – the race would not be sanctioned by the FIA (making it a non-championship race) if the track layout was changed. He deemed the Michelin teams' proposals to be "grossly unfair" to the Bridgestone teams.[23]

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    Paul Stoddart, then owner of Minardi, a team using Bridgestone tyres, published an account on June 22, of the events leading up to the race. Stoddart recorded a meeting around 10:00am on the day of the race, to which Speedway president Tony George, two senior Michelin representatives, Bernie Ecclestone (president and CEO of Formula One Management and Formula One Administration), the team principals, and the teams' Michelin technical representatives were summoned. All invited were present except Jean Todt, Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari.[21] The Michelin representatives stated their position that the tyres provided to the teams could not safely complete the race distance, and requested that the Bridgestone teams, represented by Stoddart and Jordan's Colin Kolles, permit the installation of a chicane in Turn 13. Those present discussed and agreed to reject the FIA's solution of speed-limiting the Michelin cars in the turn because of the potential for accidents. They likewise dismissed the possibility of making pit stops every ten laps, resolved that a chicane was the best solution, and instructed several technical representatives to prepare plans for its installation. Bernie Ecclestone offered to consult Todt, who had not come to the meeting, and the president of the FIA, Max Mosley, who was not present at the race, and reconvene the meeting when he had responses.[21]

    Ecclestone returned at about 10:55 to inform the group that Todt had refused to agree to the chicane, maintaining that it was an FIA and a Michelin problem and not his. By the time Stoddart's account of the meeting was published, Todt had already denied that he had ever been consulted, but stated that, if asked, he would not have agreed to the chicane.[25] Furthermore, Ecclestone reported that Mosley had "stated that if any attempts were made to alter the circuit, he would cancel the Grand Prix forthwith".[21]

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    The group, according to Stoddart, continued to propose alternative solutions, including "a non-championship race, or a race in which the Michelin teams could not score points, and even a race whereby only the Michelin teams used the new chicane", but eventually agreed that the best option was to install the chicane and run a non-championship race, without Ferrari if necessary.[26] To ignore the FIA's instructions and carry on the race would have resulted in the FIA's withdrawing its staff, so the group appointed delegates to fill the various offices, including a race director to replace Charlie Whiting and a safety car driver to replace Bernd Mayländer. The team principals were instructed to convey to their teams and drivers that, in the absence of FIA scrutineers and equipment, the technical rules could not be enforced, and that they were to conduct themselves honourably and in the interest of an entertaining race.[26]

    They proceeded to summon the twenty drivers and present their plan. Of the drivers' opinions, Stoddart writes: "While I cannot testify that each and every driver agreed with what we were proposing, what I can say with certainty is that no driver disagreed." The Ferrari drivers expressed no opinion in the matter, leaving the decision to Todt, who was not present. The nine team principals who were present then resolved that, unless they and the FIA could come to a decision in the best interest of the sport, they would not participate in the race.[26]

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    Turn 13, the centre of the controversy

    After a short break, the group gathered again in Ecclestone's office to find Renault team principal Flavio Briatore on the phone with Max Mosley. Mosley had apparently rejected all of their proposals, and it was stated that "Mosley had informed Mr. Martin, the FIA's most senior representative in the USA, that if any kind of non-championship race was run, or any alteration made to the circuit, the US Grand Prix, and indeed, all FIA-regulated motorsport in the US, would be under threat".[21] On the same day that Stoddart's version of events was published, the FIA issued a statement denying that Mosley had made the reported threat, or that any such conversation had taken place.[27]

    Having exhausted their options, the Michelin team principals, Stoddart, and Bernie Ecclestone – but not Jordan's Colin Kolles – discussed whether their cars should proceed to the grid, and decided that they should participate in the formation lap but that they could not race.[21] Stoddart asked Kolles if he would be allowing his cars to take part and was informed that Jordan would indeed be racing, despite having previously agreed not to. Stoddart was then approached by a Bridgestone representative and told that Bridgestone wanted him to race; he has also stated that given his "current relationship with Mr Mosley, [he] felt certain heavy sanctions would follow if [he] did not [race]." Stoddart too decided to allow his drivers to start, but reported that he would retire them if the Jordans did not finish the race.[26]

    Et ensuite tu as aussi cette bien belle interview qui en dit encore plus sur ce qu'il en était en coulisses et les pensées de Paul Stoddart dont l'équipe a marqué des points durant la course :

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    Tu remarqueras que sans la pression de Bridgestone, il n'y aurait que Ferrari qui aurait tourné !

    Message modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par PEagle (16 juin 2021 à 20:15).

  • Voilà comment je perçois les choses: Michelin refuse de s'adapter en suivant les recommandations de la FIA et demande à ceux qui ont fait le job de s'adapter à leurs contraintes. Et puisqu'ils refusent et qu'ils sont la minorité, on leur attribue la responsabilité de l'échec.

    Ferrari n'a rien à voir la dedans, elle n'est pas régulateur et n'a pas vocation à faire une quelconque concession. Je comprends qu'ils refusent de participer à une réunion mascarade destinée à leur faire porter la responsabilité du fiasco en tant que seule écurie de pointe bridgestone.

    Je ne reviens plus sur le sujet car nous avons des positions qui ne se rejoindront pas, inutile de chercher à nous convaincre mutuellement.

    Message modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par ilfreddo76 (16 juin 2021 à 20:32).

  • Michelin ne PEUT PAS s'adapter car ils n'ont aucun pneu capable de faire le boulot, que ce soit en Amérique où n'importe où ailleurs dans le monde (les pneus qu'ils ont fait venir en urgence pour tester n'ont pu régler le problème).

    Michelin reconnait très vite ses tort et les équipes qui tournent en Michelin acceptent de ne gagner aucun point durant le weekend pour pouvoir tourner. Ils ont proposé de faire la course avec des changements de pneus pour pouvoir tourner en sécurité, ce qui aurait mis les voitures équipées de Firestone de tourner devant et de très loin et qui de toute façon n'aurait marqué aucun point. ( or a race in which the Michelin teams could not score points,) ou encore où les voitures en Michelin ne prendraient pas le même tracé (and even a race whereby only the Michelin teams used the new chicane)

    Pour les recommendations de la FiA, ce sont les 9 équipes qui ont refusé de faire tourner les voitures équipées de Michelin plus lentement dans le virage 13, chose que je ne comprends même pas qu'on ait pu proposer tellement c'est dangereux. ( Those present discussed and agreed to reject the FIA's solution of speed-limiting the Michelin cars in the turn because of the potential for accidents)

    Ensuite appeler une réunion qui concerne la sécurité des pilotes une réunion de mascarade c'est du foutage de gueule d'un niveau incompréhensible, et dire que c'est pour leur faire porter le chapeau, c'est de la pure mauvaise foie. Tous les autres ont participé aux réunions et aucun n'a porté le chapeau.

    Quand tu as un souci qui concerne 7 des dix équipes, la sécurité des pilotes et que tout le monde se réunit pour en discuter et trouver une solution pour qu'il y ait une course, si tu n'y participe pas, c'est que tu te fous complètement du sport dans lequel tu participe.

    Rappelons que selon les préconisations de la FiA les voitures devaient rouler sans la moindre modification pour cette course et que les écuries ont été poursuivies parce qu'elles n'ont pas pris le départ sans raison valable... Du grand Moesly !

    Mais bon, reste dans ta position ou pour toi, de toute façon tu ne changera pas d'avis même avec les choses écrites noir sur blanc

    Message modifié 1 fois, dernière modification par PEagle (16 juin 2021 à 21:05).